If we do not find a way to find peace, there will be an increasing isolation of Israel [and an] increasing campaign of delegitimization of Israel. If we don't resolve the question of settlements and the question of who lives where and how and what rights they have, if we don't end the presence of Israeli soldiers perpetually within the West Bank, then there will be an increasing feeling that if we cannot get peace with a leadership that is committed to nonviolence, you may wind up with leadership that is committed to violence. Interviewer: How do you think a picture of Mahmoud Abbas . . . hugging murderers that k**ed children 20 or 30 years ago and say that they're heroes of the Palestinian people — what kind of message do you think this is sent about peace process or peace atmosphere to the Israeli people? I have no illusions. The alternative to getting back to the talks is the potential of chaos. I mean, does Israel want a third Intifada?