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[Jim]: Well you don't know everything [Interviewer]: Yes [Jim]: Too bad, you don't even know what I give ya get problems in relationship with this control issue [Female Interviewer]: Not lately [Jim]: Not lately, well you're not in one [Female Interviewer]: No I'm in one [Jim]: And? [Female Interviewer]: It's fine thanks. [Jim]: It's going good, [Female Interviewer]: And you? [Jim]: Oh that was good. Good transition like I fell for that. She's really good and how long you've been doing this? [Female Interviewer]: Long enough [Jim]: A long enough?, evasive answer. Good I'm gonna learn from you. [Female Interviewer]: What about you?, how long you been doing this [Jim]: 20 years any way [Female interviewer]: Okay, okay [Jim]: Get back on track here [Female Interviewer]: Alright [Jim]: Did television series, doing animated The Blues Brothers Series gotta movie called Jingle All the Way coming out with Arnold Schwarzenneger, where I played Santa Claus very funny coming out in November out here there another movie from this company called Retroactive just kinda recite fire action movie, very funny, very funny role, very serious, funny, crazy, action, unusual piece I really like it I did a little thing with [?] called hurl of Walterwood I did little part in the movie called Gold in the Streets [?] and doing this and The Blues Brothers Animation and the TV series [Male Interviewer]: How is it to feel to be.. [Jim]: How is it to be a king? [Interviewer]: [?] [Jim]: IT FEELS GREAT we just open up the Atlanta house of blues so don't push me cause I'm close to the edge [2Pac]: Close to the [Jim]: I'm just tryin to get some head [2Pac]: Do you want me to sing it to you all? [Female Interviewer]: Yeah [Jim]: Oh yeah man I told you I was there tonight watch this control free [2Pac]: Oh no [Female Interviewer]: So [?] [2Pac]: Tupac Shakur [Female Interviewer]: [?] [2Pac]: Tupac Shakur [Male Interviewer]: I'm glad you're here [2Pac]: Tupac, how you doing [Male Interviewer]:Nice to meet you [Jim]: Oh we're don't stand up cause she's from the [?] [Female Interviewer]: Hey thanks ahaha [2Pac]: [?] this jerk [2Pac]: Alright and then [Female Interviewer]: So what's being like working with you and Jim? [2Pac]: One day you guys are gonna come out with an original question [Female Interviewer]: It's not gonna be today [Jim]: Is that the first, second or third? [2Pac]: Yeah that's the first, *Jim laughing* [2Pac]: There has to be deeper question than "what is it like working with Jim.." it's great, it's great but I could never tell you what is like I mean it's like when you ask people those questions as a relates to what?, what if you don't have no friends,you don't know what is like what if you never a done a movie so you don't how sh**ty your cost art work could be, so you don't know how nice it is to work with somebody who gives a f** [Jim]: Wait but I can answer that, I know how sh**ty it is *2Pac laughs* [Jim]: Let me tell you in comparison these great [Female Interviewer]: In comparison to? [Jim]: To, I'm not gonna see one who ain't [2Pac]: Citizen [?] [Jim]: You work for gossip comic or you a journalist [Female Interviewer]: I'm a journalist [Jim]: Okay..., names names, what's names I feel like I'm in jail I gotta turn to my friends [2Pac]: It's great, it's not like.. [Jim]: Stay on your immoral [2Pac]: Uha [2Pac]: It's not like.. it's like a regular friend not soundin corny like we're for real close friends but it's not like a regular relationship in the movies where it's based on the movie it's based on really, like I have a job to do, you have a job to do, what can I do to make your job better?, and what can I do to make your job better I never had a co-star that really gave a f** what did it takes to get me to do my job and that's all I ever wanted long as you can take away these small things that you might able to handle that I can't handle but there major things that I can't handle that some people can handle I take care of the major things, you handle this little things that I just got.. I got like [?] that I can't get to a movie without so he is been able to like to erase those hurdles so it makes it easy and that's a first so now when I go to another set I can go here's Jim's number call him find out what Jammy do *Jim and 2pac laughing* [Jim]: For me what he does is in the scene, he's so.. Tupac is so present and so alive with energy and music, that is like a joy you don't know just makes it just like eating a great pasta *2Pac laughing* it's just a joy, but he is a liar [2Pac]: Oh yes [Jim]: He lies the whole time, I'm tired, I'm an empty, I got nothing left, camera [?] goes action, and he's like {snapping fingers} [2Pac]: You know they got Tim Robbins on Tv just like boosting you up to make money, and he's like one of those confidents guys like on TV late capable, as this guy as this guy I gotta shovel in my throat, we been doing this for 13 hours I'm totally tired, he'll tell you a dirty joke that is just brings energy to the scene, you know that whats tired he 's not like.. he's not does he like acting tricks that get you ready he just does normal people things like you know in the middle of the nights he's telling you dirty jokes that you only hear in college you know what I mean? [Jim]: [?] [2Pac]: Not now [Jim]: Okay I heard rumor last night [2Pac]: Not in front of them, come on, don't it! [Jim]: Alright I can't do it, [2Pac]: You don't wanna be known in.., come on [Jim]: Alright alright around the world [2Pac]: Eurorussia is the dirty old america man is the dirty american [Jim]: I'm only gonna be known for autoshade man *2Pac laughs* [Jim]: Today he used the skinny guy, he's doing the driving chasing, I'm running down the street chasing the bad guy [2Pac]: We gotta get that, you know [Jim]: We gotta do a scene in there about that about "hey man I'm tired of chasing that b**h f**ing guy" [Male Interviewer]: f**in' bullsh** I have distributed present that I have there [Jim]:At least he settle or stupid [2Pac]: I give him the credit [Jim]:Okay we gon' on the second answer [Male Interviewer]:For new years, which is the decisions you gonna make in new years about fitness we a**ume?, why would you gonna change [?]? [Jim]:Where is "dead" where is "dead"? [2Pac]: More pasta, and I'm starting doing like 300 push ups a day starts January 1st [Female Interviewer]: How many do you do now? [2Pac]: I could do 300 at day like one day but then in the next day I'm not interested in doing another 300 I fell like, well that's good for 3 days you know what I mean I had to get to the average just doing this I really wanna push for the next generation of actors, people, rappers, entertainers whatever we need to be more physical fit not slim, not buff, just physically fit with ever you have exercise it, so that you can use it [Jim]: And also we're both you know we're real conscious that way because our instrument is us [2Pac]: Us, yeah! [Jim]: And you had to take care your buddy [2Pac]: And you can use it you could be fit in look and act tired but you can't be tired and act fit like I said I'm not on the kick let's be skinny, let's be fit right now I can outrun everybody at this table [Jim]: For 50 yards [2Pac]: Yeah now Marathon I never knew what the hell they were doing in marathon anyway the thing went in the Olympics when they gon' gang in times[?], what the hell is that for? these guys is straight gay, get out of here [2Pac]: I won't run 50, it's a cop every 50 yards [Jim]: See that's all I g, gonna worry do 50 yards, seek that sh** out right? [2Pac]: sprints [Female Interviewer]: What you getting off acting if you don't get out of music? [2Pac]: Orgasms [2Pac]: Nah I get [Jim]: I thought musicians gonna lay much more than they really [2Pac]: They do, they do, they really do but I get another sense of, just like asking a woman what do you get out off motherhood but you don't get out off your career you know what I mean so another satisfaction, it's a whole another joy it's similar, because it's both creative, but it's fun, you do the same thing, at the high school thing [Jim]:went to the other night man oh yah that's true cause I gotta banned [2Pac]: So what you sayin'? [Jim]: I'm catching [?] [2Pac]: One night he's at the house of blues, in the morning he's back on the set, you know one night I'm doing a video in the morning, we're on the set [Jim]: We happened to be very fortunate people [2Pac]: Rock and roll stars [Jim]: Rock and roll stars with actors [2Pac]: And actors [Female Interviewer]: How do you prevent the faith got you in? [2Pac]: How do I prevent it?, to be perfectly honest; I'm [?] conceded [Jim]: I don't, I don't, I'm let it go [2Pac]: But how the world prevent it, is by put me in jail for crime I didn't commit last year that kinda humbles you out but now that I'm out and free, it keeps me humble, it keeps my feelings [?]ground [Female Interviewer]: What's the greatest misconception of value? [2Pac]: It's so many, I'd have it here to misconception and then I break it down there's a lot though, but that I'm on sided that's the biggest when I'm within cause I'm one sided all of us is a human beings is having dominant and a quiet side I happened to be a Gemini [Jim]: You too? [2Pac]: Yeah [Jim]: Yeah [2Pac]: Gemini AND I'm young AND I'm black AND I'm from the hood so it's just got all this different [?] but I'm an artist, and I'm hungry for knowledge so there is no pigeon hole for [?] to put me so they'd rather just make it looked like I'm crazy that's the biggest misconception [Female Interviewer]: Where you live now? [2Pac]: Where would I live? [Interviewer]: Yes [2Pac]: Um, like what country, or a state?, what's the street? [Female Interviewer]: [?] [2Pac]: Los Angeles, gotta big house in Los Angeles [Male Interviewer]: The name Tupac, why did you said your real name or... [2Pac]: That's my real name, there's nothing artificial about [Male Interviewer]: Do you know another Tupac famous ? [2Pac]: There's a gentleman by the name of Tupac Amaru who is a freedom fighter, warrior similar to myself. [Jim]: *laughs* [2Pac]: Achieved leader, and he was for his people. The British told him you know, give in, throw your guns down, throw your stuff down, threw everything down. He went in to talk and negotiate for peace, because the Peruvians were beating they a** so he went and negotiate for peace, so he walks into the palace. They cut off his head, cut off his arms, cut off his legs, tie him to a stake and put him in front of his people like ‘see'…so that always taught me about giving up. People ask me name means, I don't tell them like Túpac Amaru but I just say it means determine. Because I'm determine to never ever negotiate again. We are in a midst of war nobody wants me to live longer then…nobody's gonna give me the breath out their mouth for me live longer. So therefore I'm no giving anybody the breath out my mouth for them to live longer. I just breathe deeply and go through life by myself without bothering anybody without pushing anybody else over. But on the same token nobody ever remove me from where I'm standing. [Jim]: I like that man [2Pac]: You like that? [Jim]: That was good man… [2Pac]: Now you gotta come up with something slick and mix it and have a better line. [Jim]: Air pollutions about eating. [2Pac]: *laughs* [Jim]: We have restaurants.. [2Pac]: Café's [Jim]: Café's, cheeseburgers cheeseburger places. [2Pac]: *Continues laughing* cheeseburgers cheeseburgers!? [Jim]: It's about getting up for work before 1 o'clock in the morning, driving home late and the big danger was, honestly… [2Pac]: Sipping that diner remember you told me that story? [Jim]: Sipping that diner, I was still walking…. [Female Interviewer]: This is Manuel guys. [Male Interviewer]: I'm late guys. [Jim]: Emanuel you missed it. [2Pac]: oh you missed everything…oh you missed oh just finished telling the whole meaning of life. Everything. So you were getting drunk and eating bread somewhere huh? [Jim]: Haha! [Female interviewer 1]: We were just talking about food. [Female interviewer 2]:Um, what's the biggest myth about fame? [2Pac]: About fame? That all actors wanna be famous. People go “well you're an actor? You're suppose to want this” and like, people are supposed to come up to you and tear all your clothes off, “Quit complaining, you're an actor, you're supposed to want this, you're famous.” No our job is you getting this j**el. Our job is to only…I mix it up a little bit, but our job is to come to work, give you the best job we can give you. And then move away from the picture. We're not supposed to s** your dick while you watch the movie or put my finger in your a** while you're watching the movie or play my record and I'm fingering… you know. It only you buy that sh** and that's it. [Jim]: At the back of a CD or kicking back at a movie theatre it explains what the contract is with the public. And the contract is to give your best for your performance. You don't owe them anything else. [Female Interview]; [Inaudible question about possible involvement with movie soundtrack] [2Pac]: oh but of course. you will never see me in anymore movies where I'm not directly involved in the soundtrack of the movie. I looked up power in the dictionary I try to be down with that. Just like we need to have a premier at the House of Blues. [Jim]: We will, oh absolutely. [2Pac]: We gotta have a big premier at the house of blue. [Jim]: Oh absolutely man. [2Pac]: Where we do our big debut. Where we do our song. [Jim]: Yeah where we do one at the stage! Yeah! [2Pac]: and sing Fly me to the moon. [Jim]: *singing* Fly me to the moon sing upon the stars. [Male Interviewer]: And how do you feel about working with more veterans. Did you learn something from Jim? [2Pac]: Everyday that's the good part. I done a movie with a lot of guys my age, just recently I done a movie with Tim Roth, I learnt a lot of thing about the craft and about acting and about responsibilities. Doing this movie with Jim I learnt a lot of things about life in general like fatherhood and he comes in with facts about little things from nowhere. Like ‘In 1965 this guy did a great song' and tell me that. I gotta go out and get the song now and find out who sung it. [Jim]: and then we steal it [2Pac]: and then we steal it. And the next day it's the song you know. [Jim]: it's a high burglary [2Pac]: we totally like separate spectrums but similar both of us are down to earth. Known for being down to earth. [Jim]: we're artists, [2Pac]: we're artists. We bring freshness [Jim]: we bring comedy [2Pac]:we bring freshness to it out there. [Jim]: we love the street, I mean I love the street. I love being on the street. [Male Interviewer]: *asks question about downtown LA* [Jim]: Well coming from driving in limousine and going to premiers and helicoptering to resorts and you know, the girls and all the fun we have, which is a little step down from being in downtown LA. But it's part of the craft, but we will make that sacrifice. [2Pac]: Yeah sacrifice. [Jim]: Yeah you gotta make sacrifices. [Female Interviewer]: You think your audience will change because I mean with the audience or there's still safety within the message of the content stuff? [2Pac]: I think that unless every kid in the world bought my album, my five million six million sales represent that its not just kids that are my audience its not just little black kids in the ghetto or suburban white kids that want to be black, its America. I could step outside and you will see America knows me, not just American kids, all of America. [Female Interviewer]: Swedish kids, Swedish kids too. [2Pac]: Right, no doubt. Oh I love Swedish girls, hey y'all get me [and] hook up a concert for me. I could come out there, you don't even have to pay me to do a show. [Female Interviewer]: Have you been to Sweden? [2Pac]: No but I've been in Sweden a little bit you know what I mean[laughs]. [Jim]: [laughs] [2Pac]: I don't even know I wanna take this… [Jim]: I got a taste of Sweden more like it to put it. [2Pac]: [laughs] [Female Interviewer]: You had a Swedish girl? [Jim]: Oh it was guy what do you think? [Both Jim and 2Pac laughs] [Female Interviewer]: I don't know I didn't hear it. [2Pac]: I did, I liked it out there [Jim]: oh it's warmer. [Female Interviewer 2]: Have you been to Australia? [2Pac]: No, I wanna go there too. [Female Interviewer 2]: Any plans to tour? [2Pac]: Our plan is as soon as they offer the money. I'd be out there. [Female Interviewer 1]: But at Sweden you will tour for free? [2Pac]: Now for Sweden you gotta action . I'm for free. Brazil, woah, I just do a promo tour out there. Me and Jim just boost up the movie out there. You pay for the hotel, get me actions at the bar, we're in there [Jim]: we're in there [2Pac]: You know how big this movie could be in Sweden? [Male Interviewer]: What was the most challenging aspect of the movie? [Jim]: Two more questions guys. [2Pac]: The most challenging? [Male Interviewer]: So far yeah. [2Pac]: Everyday getting to the spot. [Male Interviewer]: to a specific scene that's really tough? [2Pac]: Its not like that, its every single day we have to get to these intense spots that we left the day before because this whole movie is intense. It's not like you could just walk away and have your regular life and come back to that same intensity…that to me is the hardest part. The hell we left off from last night. [Jim]: Yeah, we have to go some really deep places. Really hard places emotionally and It's hard to let go of it you know. [Male Interviewer]; [Inaudible Question] [Jim]: Oh there is betrayal going on here, murder going on here… [2Pac]: Deceit… [Jim]: There is deceit. [2Pac]: Nice…con games that you take home with you. I do. [Jim]: Yeah [Male Interviewer]: Does that oblige your own dark clouds? [Jim]: What's that? [Male Interviewer]: Does that oblige you in a way to face your own self? [Jim]: Well not only its facing as much as...for me it's going to it, I mean everybody you got to look to your deceit, and it's something you really wanna do, you kinda worked on that. Now I'm a very honest man, I'm very straight forward. Its taking me years to get rid of the bullsh** I believe about myself. And then when you play a character that believes his own bullsh**, who is deceitful, lies to himself about being deceitful, you gotta go to that place in you. So you gotta bring it out of ya. You don't wanna stay there too long. You wanna put it back [2Pac]: But make no mistake, the darkness dwells in every man and no one knows how to reach any faster than the next man. Some of us are just comfortable being honest about saying this is my dark side. The other ones of us put on masks or white sheets or suits or uniforms and exhibit their darkness behind closed doors. [Jim]: Yeah, well what we do is go to it. [2Pac]: Yeah [Jim]: And we go to it here. [2Pac]: Yeah and show it to you. [Jim]: But its fun because you don't do it alone. If he's going there I'm going there. [2Pac]: And we both look like ‘Hey, you're pretty dark' [Jim]: What are you talking there? What are you talking there? [2Pac]: *laughs* [Jim]: Even the theme of the movie we keep a sense of humor about it. [2Pac]: Gotta keep a sense of humor. [Female Interviewer]: Is there anything about your experience in jail that you could turn into a positive? As in then inspire you when running your next… [2Pac]: whoa great question. In jail I was faced with doing bankruptcy. I was just about to do it. A friend of mine said don't do it, it will mess up your credit. Go to the bottom, don't be scared to go all the way to the bottom, don't be a punk. Fight it out, I fought it out, came out contract in shambles…everything in shambles. Virtually no movie career nobody would touch with a fifty foot pole. And the rap world I mean, a rape charge or any of that bullsh** will destroy you. Me knowing I didn't do it. I kept my faith, I didn't blow my brains out with a shotgun. And dropout, can none touch me, I feel like God himself got his hands on me. The only people that sold more records than me with a double album is The Beatles. And you know, I don't wanna sell more records than The Beatles. Then I wanna k** myself. [Jim]: *Laughs* [2Pac]: I had the most expensive album on the chart this year. But I sold more albums than anybody. nobody can beat me at that. My sh** is a million dollar dream that I'm a push…its everything. Its not stopping, nothing can touch me now. [Jim]: and once you hit that bottom you're free. [2Pac]: Where can you go? [Jim]: You're free. [2Pac]: You're shot, you go to jail. What can touch me? What actor can give you more truth than me right now? That's how I feel so, that's the positive. [Jim]: We really appreciate you coming for lunch. Very kind of you to come and visit us. [2Pac]: Try not to eat all the food, and drink all the stuff okay. I'm checking all bags before you leave. I know how pretty it is to see you. Everybody take your own tape recorder home. [Jim]:Take care of yourselves.